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04/15/2021 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:36:12 PM Presentation: Power Cost Equalization Then and Now
02:54:47 PM Power Cost Equalization Program and Fund: Legislative Finance Division
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- Meera Kohler, Retired President & CEO, Alaska
Village Electric Cooperative
- Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance
Div.
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 15, 2021                                                                                            
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance Division                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Meera Kohler, Retired President and CEO, Alaska Village                                                                         
Electric Cooperative.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: POWER COST EQUALIZATION                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: POWER COST EQUALIZATION THEN and NOW                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEERA  KOHLER, RETIRED  PRESIDENT  AND  CEO, ALASKA  VILLAGE                                                                    
ELECTRIC  COOPERATIVE   (via  teleconference),   provided  a                                                                    
PowerPoint  presentation  titled  "Power  Cost  Equalization                                                                    
Then and Now: Presentation  to the House Finance Committee,"                                                                    
dated April  15, 2021 (copy on  file). She began on  slide 2                                                                    
showing a historical map  of Alaska's early electrification.                                                                    
She  shared that  1890  was  the first  time  there was  any                                                                    
history in Alaska accompanied by  the gold rush days. At the                                                                    
time,  Alaska had  a population  of 32,000,  about the  same                                                                    
number of  people that  Alaska Village  Electric Cooperative                                                                    
(AVEC) currently  served. By  1900, Alaska's  population had                                                                    
doubled because  of the  gold rush in  various parts  of the                                                                    
state,  mostly  in Nome.  Electricity  was  scarce and  only                                                                    
available in those communities where  there was some sort of                                                                    
resource development activity underway.  For example, at the                                                                    
time, gold  mining was  going on  in Juneau.  As a  point of                                                                    
interest,  Alaska Electric  Light  and  Power, the  electric                                                                    
utility that currently served Juneau, opened in 1893.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  continued  that  Nome   also  had  gold  mining                                                                    
activity  and  electrified   with  diesel  power.  Cordova's                                                                    
Kennecott Copper  Mine started in  the early 1900s  and with                                                                    
it came  electricity. Many  people were  not aware  that the                                                                    
first oil development  was in Katalla, an  area in Southeast                                                                    
Alaska  between Cordova  and Yakutat.  Anchorage was  a tent                                                                    
city of about  2,000 people. Its first electric  plant was a                                                                    
9,000 kilowatt (kW)  coal-fired steam system. It  was all of                                                                    
the  demand  that existed  at  the  time. The  hydroelectric                                                                    
project that currently operated  in Eklutna and served Eagle                                                                    
River, Matanuska  Electric, and Anchorage, was  developed in                                                                    
the late 1920s by a private  developer. It was later sold to                                                                    
the Municipality  of Anchorage and eventually  taken over by                                                                    
a small  Alaska power  administration. Alaska had  a federal                                                                    
power administration to manage  the two major power projects                                                                    
-  the  Eklutna  project  and the  Snettisham  project  that                                                                    
served Juneau.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  recounted that  until the  Rural Electrification                                                                    
Act was passed in 1935,  following the depression, there was                                                                    
no rural electrification anywhere  in the country. She noted                                                                    
that 90  percent of rural  Americans did not have  access to                                                                    
electricity which was  true for rural Alaskans  as well. The                                                                    
first  electrification  that  took  place  under  the  Rural                                                                    
Electrification  Act was  when the  pioneers were  resettled                                                                    
from the  Midwest to the  Palmer area. About  1,000 families                                                                    
were  resettled.   They  started   the  effort   to  develop                                                                    
Matanuska Electric  Association so  that they  could receive                                                                    
power  from  the  Eklutna Project.  The  Matanuska  Electric                                                                    
Association was  formed in  1940. Shortly  afterwards, other                                                                    
cooperatives formed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler highlighted  that Alaska  was  the most  heavily                                                                    
cooperative  state  in the  nation.  She  indicated that  at                                                                    
least 75  percent of  Alaska's population  was served  by an                                                                    
electric cooperative  rather than by a  municipal utility or                                                                    
an investor-owned  utility which was  the norm in  the Lower                                                                    
48. The  rural hub communities  were energized in  the early                                                                    
1960s  such as  the communities  of Naknek,  Dillingham, and                                                                    
Kotzebue. They were all diesel-fired utilities.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Kohler   moved  to   slide   3   to  discuss   village                                                                    
electrification.   There   were   about  200   very   small,                                                                    
scattered,   and  hard-to-reach   villages  in   Alaska.  It                                                                    
remained a  challenge to  reach them but  less so,  as there                                                                    
was  air traffic  and barge  service  available. There  were                                                                    
cases of  spotty electricity in the  villages mostly because                                                                    
large commercial enterprises, such  as the Alaska Commercial                                                                    
Company,  established  large  stores  in  communities  where                                                                    
there  was typically  fish  processing  or other  activities                                                                    
taking   place.  They   would  energize   nearby  homes   or                                                                    
businesses during the time they  were in operation. The same                                                                    
applied to  schools. Schools  that had  self-generation that                                                                    
occurred on a  seasonal basis would extend power  to some of                                                                    
the homes  and businesses  around them. There  was virtually                                                                    
no village central station service before 1960.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler pointed  out  there was  also  no Alaska  Energy                                                                    
Authority (AEA)  in the 1960s.  The Alaska  Energy Authority                                                                    
was  originally   formed  as  the  Alaska   Power  Authority                                                                    
established in 1972. The  Alaska Public Utilities Commission                                                                    
(APUC)  was established  and became  more ubiquitous  in the                                                                    
early 1970s.  Currently they were the  Regulatory Commission                                                                    
of Alaska (RCA).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:43:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  turned  to  slide 4  titled  "Seeking  the  Way                                                                    
Forward." Rural Alaska  wanted to have power which  led to a                                                                    
movement  to bring  electricity  to  the villages.  Governor                                                                    
Hickel,  in his  first term  in the  mid-1960s, appointed  a                                                                    
task force  which included  Willie Hensley,  Dian Carpenter,                                                                    
Jimmy  Hoffman, Morris  Thompson, and  David Peterson.  They                                                                    
looked  for solutions  to bring  electricity to  villages in                                                                    
Alaska.  They were  dedicated to  their job  meeting several                                                                    
days at a time as often as  a couple of times per month. The                                                                    
task  force identified  the cooperative  model  as the  best                                                                    
fit.   The   Alaska   Village   Electric   Cooperative   was                                                                    
incorporated  in  1967  and required  funding.  The  funding                                                                    
source  for AVEC  was a  $5.2  million loan  from the  Rural                                                                    
Electric Administration (REA), currently  known as the Rural                                                                    
Utility Service (RUS).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler continued that the  RUS was highly skeptical that                                                                    
a cooperative model could succeed.  The villages were remote                                                                    
and  not  connected   to  each  other.  In   order  for  the                                                                    
cooperative  to  function, it  had  to  have a  headquarters                                                                    
distant from the villages it  served. Anchorage was selected                                                                    
as the  headquarters location rather than  Bethel, as Bethel                                                                    
was too small and did  not have enough hub-related activity.                                                                    
A condition of  AVEC membership was that a  community had to                                                                    
have a  working government of  some kind that  could provide                                                                    
direct  oversight   in  the   communities  of   the  village                                                                    
operations.   The   requirement    triggered   a   wave   of                                                                    
municipalities to form in rural Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler elaborated that the  majority of second-class and                                                                    
third-class cities were established  for the sole purpose of                                                                    
getting  electricity  from  AVEC.  She  reported  that  AVEC                                                                    
executed  agreements  with  the  village  municipalities  in                                                                    
which  the  cooperative would  build  a  plant and  own  the                                                                    
facility  while the  local government  would hire  the power                                                                    
plant operators  and provide supervision of  the power plant                                                                    
operation.  The  arrangement allowed  AVEC  to  have a  more                                                                    
meaningful  operation in  the villages.  She  noted that  80                                                                    
percent of the  residents had to sign up  for service paying                                                                    
a  $5   membership  fee  and   becoming  a  member   of  the                                                                    
cooperative.  Another requirement  was  that  the Bureau  of                                                                    
Indian  Affairs, the  entity operating  the  schools in  the                                                                    
villages at the time, had to  sign up to be an anchor tenant                                                                    
guaranteeing to  buy electricity of an  amount sufficient to                                                                    
carry  a  large  portion  of the  operating  costs  in  each                                                                    
community. She explained that without  the schools as anchor                                                                    
tenants the  cost of  electricity in  the villages  would be                                                                    
much higher than it was presently.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:47:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler advanced  to slide 5 which provided  a picture of                                                                    
Alaska before  the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System  (TAPS) went                                                                    
into operation in 1977. There  was virtually no transmission                                                                    
in Alaska  other than a  transmission line built  by Chugach                                                                    
Electric  in 1968  to connect  a power  plant in  the Beluga                                                                    
River gas  field to Anchorage.  The gas field  was developed                                                                    
in  the  1960s and  was  heavily  subsidized  to make  it  a                                                                    
functional  source of  energy for  South Central  Alaska. It                                                                    
was a  pillar of  Southcentral electrification. Most  of the                                                                    
homes and  businesses in Anchorage  were heated  with diesel                                                                    
fuel and  coal until TAPS was  built and Enstar was  able to                                                                    
bring gas into Anchorage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler reported  that Fairbanks  relied on  local heavy                                                                    
oil and coal. Presently  Fairbanks remained reliant on those                                                                    
sources  of  power,  although   it  imported  a  significant                                                                    
portion  of its  power from  South Central  Alaska with  the                                                                    
intertie  the  state  built. Diesel  fuel  was  the  primary                                                                    
energy   source   elsewhere   in  the   state.   About   120                                                                    
megawatts (MW)  of hydro  power  existed in  the state:  The                                                                    
Eklutna  Project; the  Cooper  Lake  Project which  produced                                                                    
20 MW and  was built in  the mid-1950s by  Chugach Electric;                                                                    
the Snettisham Project  in Juneau; and a  few small projects                                                                    
scattered throughout Southeast Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler addressed slide 6  titled "Then Came Oil - 1977."                                                                    
Oil  came and  along with  it  came royalty  and taxes.  The                                                                    
state  was   swimming  in  revenues  and   began  trying  to                                                                    
judicially spend its  wealth. The state did  an excellent in                                                                    
recognizing that  underpinning all economic  development and                                                                    
activity was  a reliable  and affordable energy  system. The                                                                    
state  started looking  at how  it could  deliver affordable                                                                    
energy across its expanse.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Kohler  continued   that  the   state  started   on  a                                                                    
transmission project  to build a  tie line to  Fairbanks. It                                                                    
would allow  Fairbanks to start importing  energy from South                                                                    
Central   Alaska.  The   Susitna  mega   project  had   been                                                                    
considered in  the 1950s but  had been shelved.  The project                                                                    
was  reignited   in  the  late  1970s.   The  Alaska  Energy                                                                    
Authority (AEA) was formed to  develop these hydro projects.                                                                    
She noted  that the  Bradley Lake  Project outside  of Homer                                                                    
was started  when the  Four Dam Pool  projects were  built                                                                      
hydro projects  in Valdez, Kodiak,  Ketchikan, and  one that                                                                    
served Wrangell and Petersburg.  She reported that a massive                                                                    
study was commissioned to identify  projects that could help                                                                    
reduce the cost of power across the state.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  recognized that  Representative  Rasmussen                                                                    
had joined the meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  moved  to  address   slide  6  to  explain  the                                                                    
evolution  of  Power Cost  Equalization.  As  the state  was                                                                    
doing studies  to find solutions  for rural Alaska,  the oil                                                                    
embargo occurred in the late 1970s.  At the time the cost of                                                                    
oil skyrocketed dramatically increasing  the cost of fuel to                                                                    
rural  Alaska. The  state implemented  a short-term,  1-year                                                                    
Power  Production  Cost  Assistance (PCA)  Program.  It  was                                                                    
specifically  aimed at  the high  cost of  diesel fuel.  The                                                                    
utility was subsidized  directly to reduce the  cost of fuel                                                                    
for their communities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler continued  that the  following year  the program                                                                    
was  transitioned  out  and replaced  with  the  Power  Cost                                                                    
Assistance Program. The  program was never intended  to be a                                                                    
long-term    program,   rather,    it   was    intended   to                                                                    
self-extinguish  within 5  years.  She  elaborated that  the                                                                    
floor  (the minimum  to  which the  electric  cost would  be                                                                    
lowered) and the ceiling (the  maximum assistance that would                                                                    
be given)  came together quickly  over a 4-year  period. The                                                                    
program  essentially  phased  out within  a  5-year  period.                                                                    
During  that time,  the legislature  received a  report from                                                                    
Stone and Webster, the company  who did a massive study, and                                                                    
determined  that there  was not  silver bullet  solution for                                                                    
Alaska. The  company recommended that a  long-term permanent                                                                    
subsidy be  put into place until  such time as new  and less                                                                    
expensive  generation  and  transmission options  came  into                                                                    
being. It became the Power  Cost Equalization (PCE) Program.                                                                    
There was a straight transition  from the PCA Program to the                                                                    
PCE Program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler under  the PCE  Program, any  utility that  used                                                                    
diesel to  generate at least  75 percent of  its electricity                                                                    
during the  full calendar year  of 1983  would automatically                                                                    
be  eligible to  participate in  the program.  If they  were                                                                    
eligible in 1983 due to  their 1983 production, even if they                                                                    
were later  able to  generate their  power by  other sources                                                                    
such as hydro,  solar, nuclear or wind,  they still remained                                                                    
eligible for PCE.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  continued that the  cost of power  was equalized                                                                    
to  the  average   of  the  cost  of   power  in  Anchorage,                                                                    
Fairbanks, and  Juneau. At  the time the  amount was  set at                                                                    
$.085  per  kilowatt hour  (kWh).  The  amount was  actually                                                                    
slightly  higher  than  the  cost   per  kWh  in  the  three                                                                    
communities,  but  the amount  was  a  fair compromise.  The                                                                    
ceiling  was  set  at  $.525/kWh. She  detailed  that  if  a                                                                    
utility incurred  costs that were higher  than $.525/kWh the                                                                    
costs above $.525/kWh were not considered in the PCE rate.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler furthered  that at the time, in  1984, there were                                                                    
one or  two communities whose  cost of electricity  was more                                                                    
than  $.525/kWh.  She  noted  Lime  Village,  a  very  small                                                                    
Interior  community,  with  a population  of  19-20  people.                                                                    
Their  power had  always been  very expensive  because small                                                                    
quantities of fuel were flown in.  At the time, the cost was                                                                    
more than $1/kWh.  Presently, the cost was  over $2/kWh. She                                                                    
reiterated that costs about $.525/kWh were not covered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  cited  that  all   users  of  electricity  were                                                                    
eligible  for  PCE on  the  first  750 kWh  used.  Community                                                                    
facilities  providing  a  public   service  such  as  street                                                                    
lights, city  halls, girls' and  boys' clubs, and  water and                                                                    
sewer  treatment facilities,  were  eligible on  all of  the                                                                    
kWhs they used.  It was determined by a formula:  70 kWh was                                                                    
the allowable  limit every  month for  each resident  of the                                                                    
community that they  could use community facility  PCE. As a                                                                    
practical  matter   it  was  more   than  enough   for  most                                                                    
communities. Very  few communities went above  the threshold                                                                    
of their community facility PCE usage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  advanced to slide  8. She would provide  a quick                                                                    
overview of AVEC and tell  members where AVEC was presently.                                                                    
As she  pointed out earlier,  AVEC was incorporated  in 1967                                                                    
and, by  the end of  1968, had already built  generation and                                                                    
distribution  facilities  to  serve three  communities.  The                                                                    
intent of  AVEC was  to develop electric  service for  up to                                                                    
ten communities per  year. She noted that in  those days the                                                                    
cost to  build a generation  and distribution facility  in a                                                                    
village  was typically  less than  $100,000. Currently,  the                                                                    
cost was 20 to 50  times that amount. Presently, Avec served                                                                    
58   communities.  The   cooperative  just   added  a   59th                                                                    
community,  the community  of  Twin Hills.  It  was not  yet                                                                    
completely an AVEC  community but, it would  be soon. Twenty                                                                    
of  the  communities  received  part  of  their  power  from                                                                    
renewables. In the  community of St. Mary 49  percent of the                                                                    
electricity that  was consumed in  2020 came from  wind. She                                                                    
thought it was a remarkable number.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  reported that  AVEC  had  49 power  plants  and                                                                    
served a  population of 32,000. The  cooperative represented                                                                    
about 38  percent of the  total PCE population and  about 41                                                                    
percent of  the total  PCE that  was consumed.  The smallest                                                                    
AVEC community  was less that  100 in population.  She noted                                                                    
Shageluk was  the smallest AVEC  community, with at  least 4                                                                    
or 5  communities with  less than  100 people.  She reported                                                                    
that  Anvik  and  Shageluk  competed   to  be  the  smallest                                                                    
community every year. Bethel was  the largest AVEC community                                                                    
with  a   population  of  more   than  6,000.   She  offered                                                                    
perspective  that  Anchorage  had  a  population  of  almost                                                                    
300,000. The average  size of an AVEC  community, other than                                                                    
Bethel, was  less than 400.  She added that over  90 percent                                                                    
of the population AVEC served was Alaska Native.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler posed  the  question  on slide  9:  "Why are  we                                                                    
subsidizing  Rural Alaska?"  She  answered that  it was  the                                                                    
compromise  that was  reached in  1984 when  the legislature                                                                    
recognized  there was  no other  answer to  bring affordable                                                                    
power to rural  Alaska. By comparison, in 1985,  the cost of                                                                    
diesel  for the  average PCE  utility was  $1.17 per  gallon                                                                    
which was  25 times the cost  of 1,000 cubic feet  of gas in                                                                    
the Railbelt    a  remarkable difference. Another  issue was                                                                    
that billions  of dollars were  being spent or  committed to                                                                    
reduce  power  costs  for urban  Alaskans.  She  added  that                                                                    
Railbelt communities in South  Central Alaska were presently                                                                    
and had always been heavily  subsidized in terms of what the                                                                    
cost  of  the  natural  gas  used to  generate  all  of  the                                                                    
electricity  and space  heat. By  contrast, in  Rural Alaska                                                                    
PCE only  impacted 30  percent of  the electricity  sold and                                                                    
did not  touch heat. Even  in the  present day the  taxes on                                                                    
Cook  Inlet gas  were capped  at $0.177  per thousand  cubic                                                                    
feet. It equated to about $.025 per gallon of diesel fuel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  addressed the  PCE Endowment  Fund on  slide 10.                                                                    
The  fund was  established in  2000 via  House Bill 446.  It                                                                    
followed chronic underfunding of  the PCE Program. After the                                                                    
first few years of the  program being established, there was                                                                    
an annual battle at the  legislature about who would support                                                                    
funding for PCE. There was  a constant rural-urban jockeying                                                                    
which made  it clear  something had to  be done  to preserve                                                                    
the program. Establishing an endowment  fund for rural power                                                                    
ensured  that  the  source  of   funding  came  out  of  the                                                                    
endowment rather than the general fund.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  discussed  how  the   PCE  Endowment  Fund  was                                                                    
capitalized. In  2001, the fund  received $100  million from                                                                    
the  Constitutional Budget  Reserve (CBR).  At the  time, it                                                                    
was determined  that the Four  Dam Pool Hydro  projects were                                                                    
going to  be sold  back to the  communities they  served for                                                                    
about  $70 million  and  was  added to  the  $14 million  in                                                                    
reserves totaling  $84 million. In FY  07 Governor Murkowski                                                                    
authorized a  deposit of $182.7  million into  the endowment                                                                    
fund,  and a  final  deposit  of $400  million  was made  in                                                                    
FY 12.  The  total deposited  into  the  endowment fund  was                                                                    
approximately $765  million to  fully capitalize it  to spin                                                                    
off enough  money to  provide for PCE  into the  future. She                                                                    
pointed out that  in 2008, when there was  an enormous spike                                                                    
in the cost of oil, the  cost of PCE was almost $50 million.                                                                    
The state needed to have a  corpus large enough to earn that                                                                    
kind of money.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  reported that  the fund had  done well.  Part of                                                                    
the reason  for its  success was  the inclusion  of language                                                                    
requiring that  the amount available  for PCE was  7 percent                                                                    
of the  average balance of  the preceding 3 years.  Once the                                                                    
fund was fully capitalized, it  spun off enough money to pay                                                                    
for PCE. However, it took  several years before it was fully                                                                    
funded. At the end of March  2021, the value of the fund was                                                                    
$1.13 billion. In FY 19 the  fund earned $74 million, and in                                                                    
FY 20  it earned $48.3  million. In the current  fiscal year                                                                    
$56.4  million  had  been  withdrawn  to  pay  for  PCE  and                                                                    
municipal assistance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   recognized  that   Representative  Edgmon                                                                    
joined the meeting earlier.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  continued that  in 2016 SB  196 was  enacted and                                                                    
proposed changes to the way  the endowment fund was invested                                                                    
and operated. Originally  when the fund was  created, it was                                                                    
expected and  invested to  yield a return  of 7  percent per                                                                    
annum, which meant that it was  very high risk. As a result,                                                                    
when the state had a serious  downturn the value of the fund                                                                    
declined 40  percent. She  noted that  the same  decline was                                                                    
seen with the  Permanent Fund and other funds  of the state.                                                                    
It was too high of a  risk to tolerate. The bill changed the                                                                    
return  to  5 percent  which  led  to  the fund  being  more                                                                    
conservatively invested.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  continued that the legislation  also limited the                                                                    
amount that could  be withdrawn to 5 percent  of the corpus.                                                                    
The bill  included language that  allowed 70 percent  of the                                                                    
excess earnings of the fund  above the amount needed for PCE                                                                    
to be  available for other  purposes. The bill  also defined                                                                    
how   the  excess   earnings  could   be  used.   The  first                                                                    
$30 million of  excess earnings could be  used for municipal                                                                    
assistance revenue  sharing. Anything  above that up  to $25                                                                    
million could  go to  the renewable energy  fund or  be used                                                                    
for  rural  power  system upgrades  or  bulk  fuel  facility                                                                    
upgrades.  Any  remaining  funds after  the  specified  uses                                                                    
would stay in the corpus of the fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler reported  there had  not  been a  year in  which                                                                    
there  were  so  much  excess earnings  that  the  municipal                                                                    
assistance  was  funded at  $30  million  and the  renewable                                                                    
energy fund  was funded  at $25 million.  The best  the fund                                                                    
had performed  was 3  years prior  when the  excess earnings                                                                    
funded  municipal   assistance  at   $30  million   and  the                                                                    
renewable energy fund at $15 million.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  would discuss  how PCE was  funded on  slide 11.                                                                    
The  governor's  budget  included  PCE  in  AEA's  operating                                                                    
budget.  The funding  source for  the program  was typically                                                                    
the  PCE Endowment  Fund, as  was  the case  in the  current                                                                    
year. An  alarm sounded  for some people  a couple  of years                                                                    
prior  when the  governor  pegged the  general  fund as  the                                                                    
source to  fund the PCE  program. There had been  talk about                                                                    
rolling  the  endowment fund  into  the  general fund  which                                                                    
would have  meant struggling to finance  the program similar                                                                    
to the struggle from 15 years prior.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler continued  that the  governor's budget  included                                                                    
the funding  for PCE.  The legislature  would decide  on the                                                                    
final  amount and  the funding  source.  If the  legislature                                                                    
appropriated  less  than was  needed  for  the program,  the                                                                    
Regulatory Commission of Alaska  (RCA) would prorate the PCE                                                                    
rate  for  all  utilities  to  match  the  amount  that  was                                                                    
available.  Between  1992  and  2007 PCE  was  prorated  for                                                                    
15 years, sometimes  by as  much as 50  percent of  what was                                                                    
needed. The  endowment fund was intended  to replace general                                                                    
funds  to fund  PCE,  and there  had been  no  draws on  the                                                                    
general fund since 2014. Once  the endowment fund approached                                                                    
the  full  funding  level,  it  could  spin  off  enough  in                                                                    
earnings under the 3-year average  scenario to fully pay for                                                                    
PCE. Since  2008, PCE had  cost a  total of $424  million of                                                                    
which $349 million had come from the endowment fund.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:08:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  reviewed the  mechanics of PCE  on slide  12. In                                                                    
order to be  eligible for PCE, 75 percent of  the power that                                                                    
was generated had  to have been from diesel  fuel. A utility                                                                    
submitted a very  detailed cost and operational  data to the                                                                    
RCA.  The Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska then  determined                                                                    
which  of  the  costs  were  eligible,  sometimes  rejecting                                                                    
certain  costs, then  computed the  PCE rate.  In turn,  the                                                                    
utility billed its  customers for its tariff  and showed the                                                                    
amount of PCE  credit on each bill. She  indicated there was                                                                    
specific  language   required  to   appear  on   bills  that                                                                    
indicated the  PCE credit paid  by the State of  Alaska. the                                                                    
customer was required  to pay the bill after  the PCE credit                                                                    
was applied.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler continued that the  utility took all of its bills                                                                    
and submitted  a request to  AEA for a reimbursement  of the                                                                    
PCE  credits applied  to its  electric bills.  In turn,  AEA                                                                    
reviewed  the reports  and reimbursed  the utility  for PCE.                                                                    
The utility  had to file  an annual updated report  with the                                                                    
RCA  detailing the  prior year's  activities.  Based on  the                                                                    
report,  the RCA  recalculated the  PCE rate.  Every time  a                                                                    
utility had  a fuel cost change  up or down the  utility was                                                                    
required to file  the change within 30 days so  that the PCE                                                                    
rate could  be appropriately  adjusted up  or down  based on                                                                    
the  fuel cost.  The  RCA reviewed  non-fuel  costs every  3                                                                    
years to 5 years or  upon the utility's request. However, it                                                                    
was typically triggered by the RCA's schedule.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  would  look  at the  changes  that  took  place                                                                    
between  1985 and  2020 on  slide 13.  The floor,  which was                                                                    
$.085 when  the program  started, was  up to  $.2063/kWh. It                                                                    
had increased  2.5 times.  In 2008,  the ceiling  was raised                                                                    
from $.525 to  $1.00. A number of utilities, at  least 25 or                                                                    
30,  were above  $.525. There  were about  8 to  9 utilities                                                                    
above $1.00 per kWh. The  amount of electricity eligible for                                                                    
PCE was  reduced in two  tranches but was currently  500 kWh                                                                    
per  month  per  consumer.  Eligible  electricity  had  been                                                                    
reduced  by   one-third  from  750   kWh  to   500 kWh.  All                                                                    
commercial  customers were  taken off  of PCE  and could  no                                                                    
longer  receive  it.  Fuel  costs  had  increased  modestly.                                                                    
Although it had  gone up 127 percent. In FY  20, the average                                                                    
cost was  $3.07 KWH per  gallon of diesel compared  to $1.17                                                                    
when it  started in  1984. She  pointed out  that efficiency                                                                    
had increased  32 percent.  The fuel cost  per kWh  had gone                                                                    
from  approximately $.1033  to  $.1901.  She continued  that                                                                    
non-fuel costs  per kWh  were up  37 percent.  She indicated                                                                    
that figures  worked out to  less than 1 percent  per annum.                                                                    
They were $.14 in 1985 and  $.193 in FY 20. The full cost of                                                                    
the PCE program in FY 86 was  $17.8 million, and in FY 20 it                                                                    
was $29 million.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  presented the program  changes since FY 86  in a                                                                    
table on slide 14. The  total number of Alaskans served went                                                                    
from 62,000 in FY 86 to  82,000 in FY 20. Kilowatt sales had                                                                    
doubled  from 225  gigawatt hours  (GWh) to  456 GWh.  Power                                                                    
Cost Equalization  sales had gone  up modestly from  108 GWh                                                                    
to  131 GWh.  She continued  that when  the program  started                                                                    
48 percent of electricity sold in  rural Alaska was eligible                                                                    
for  PCE.   Presently,  the  number  was   29  percent.  She                                                                    
highlighted the  change in  fuel cost  per gallon  which had                                                                    
gone from  $1.17 to $3.07.  The fuel consumed had  gone from                                                                    
21  million gallons  to  28 million  gallons,  a 33  percent                                                                    
increase while  total sales had  doubled. The  total utility                                                                    
cost  between fuel  and non-fuel  costs  had increased  from                                                                    
$55 million to  $174 million. She  pointed to the  bottom of                                                                    
the chart  that showed the  percent of total costs  that PCE                                                                    
covered.  In FY  86 the  amount  was 32.4  percent while  in                                                                    
FY 20  it  was  only  16.6   percent.  The  point  was  that                                                                    
83.4 percent   of   all   costs  were   carried   by   local                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler advanced  to slide 15 to address  the most common                                                                    
question that  she received. She was  commonly asked whether                                                                    
most  of  PCE  went  to  overheads.  She  responded  in  the                                                                    
negative.  She explained  that of  the total  amount of  PCE                                                                    
that  was  allocated  only  one-third  of  fuel  costs  were                                                                    
covered  and none  of the  non-fuel costs  were covered.  In                                                                    
other  words, it  covered one-third  of  non-fuel costs  and                                                                    
nothing else.  She thought  the PCE  Program was  modest but                                                                    
supportive of rural Alaska. It  kept the lights on and local                                                                    
governments open.  She speculated that without  PCE the cost                                                                    
to small municipal utilities  and community facilities would                                                                    
double  or  triple  overnight. Rural  communities  would  no                                                                    
longer be able to pay  their utility bills. She welcomed any                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:16:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson stated  he  was missing  something                                                                    
fundamental. He heard her say that  the cost would be 2 to 3                                                                    
times higher, but  the percentage of the  total cost covered                                                                    
by PCE was 16.6 percent. He  wondered how both could be true                                                                    
simultaneously.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  answered that it  was an  interesting conundrum.                                                                    
She explained that community facilities  received PCE on all                                                                    
of their kWh. In the case  of a water facility in a location                                                                    
where  the  cost  of  fuel  was higher,  PCE  would  end  up                                                                    
reducing their  electric bills by  60 percent to  70 percent                                                                    
because of the  way the rates were  structured. For example,                                                                    
AVEC  had a  declining  rate  structure. For  municipalities                                                                    
AVEC structured its  rates so that they  received highest at                                                                    
best value  for their  electricity. They actually  paid less                                                                    
than  a  residential user  for  their  electricity and  they                                                                    
received PCE for  all of their kWhs. In  a typical community                                                                    
residential users would receive PCE  for the majority of the                                                                    
kWh they  used in the  summer. In the winter  electric usage                                                                    
tended to  be higher and the  PCE would not apply  to all of                                                                    
the usage. The community  facility represented only about 30                                                                    
percent of the  PCE that was provided. However,  it was much                                                                    
more   of    a   substantial   cost-reducing    factor   for                                                                    
municipalities than for home owners.  She reiterated that 70                                                                    
percent of  all electricity  that was  sold did  not receive                                                                    
any PCE distorting the value of those who receive it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  surmised  that the  total  electricity                                                                    
cost  of   $174  million  [slide  15]   included  commercial                                                                    
customers  that   did  not   receive  PCE.   Therefore,  the                                                                    
16 percent of total  costs covered by PCE would  have a much                                                                    
larger impact  on the individual users  potentially doubling                                                                    
or tripling costs to residents.  He asked if he was correct.                                                                    
Ms. Kohler replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  referenced  a statement  made  by  Ms.                                                                    
Kohler  that  Railbelt  communities received  subsidies  for                                                                    
natural gas. He hoped Fairbanks was excluded.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler responded that Fairbanks  received a chunk of its                                                                    
electricity from  the Bradley Lake  Hydro Project  which was                                                                    
state subsidized. Fairbanks also  bought economy energy when                                                                    
it  was  available.  The   transmission  line  that  brought                                                                    
Southcentral  and  Fairbanks   economy  energy  was  Chugach                                                                    
Electric.  She  was  trying   earlier  to  quantify  economy                                                                    
energy. She  explained that when the  intertie was energized                                                                    
Fairbanks was 100 percent dependent  on oil and coal. At the                                                                    
time  they only  had  Healy 1.  The  majority of  Fairbank's                                                                    
electricity came from heavy oil.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler recalled  that Fort  Knox's  electric bill  went                                                                    
down by 50  percent when the economy  energy started flowing                                                                    
up   the  transmission   line   from  Southcentral   Alaska.                                                                    
Currently, she did not believe  Fairbanks was getting nearly                                                                    
as  much economy  energy. She  relayed  that economy  energy                                                                    
resulted from all of the  systems on the common transmission                                                                    
line having to maintain a  set amount of spinning reserve to                                                                    
provide stability to  the system. If a  generator went down,                                                                    
the spinning  reserve would crank  up to provide  the energy                                                                    
that  went  down. It  was  a  substantial size  of  spinning                                                                    
reserves,  typically  100  MW.   The  spinning  reserve  was                                                                    
surplus electricity  that could be used  on an interruptible                                                                    
basis to  satisfy the needs  of the  Southcentral utilities.                                                                    
It  was shipped  to Fairbanks  for use.  Fairbanks was  just                                                                    
paying  the incremental  cost of  the gas  that was  used to                                                                    
generate electricity.  It was not  a substantial  portion of                                                                    
Fairbanks' energy  source like it  had been 20  years prior.                                                                    
The balance had changed over the years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  agreed with Representative Wool  that Fairbanks'                                                                    
cost of  energy was  substantially higher  than Southcentral                                                                    
Alaska.  However, the  fact that  the floor  for PCE  was at                                                                    
nearly $.21  per kWh, pointed  out that the average  cost of                                                                    
kWh  for Anchorage,  Fairbanks, and  Juneau was  quite high.                                                                    
She confirmed that  Fairbanks was, by far,  the highest. Her                                                                    
cost  of electricity  in Anchorage  was about  $.22 per  kWh                                                                    
while  Fairbanks' cost  was $.24  per kWh.  Juneau's average                                                                    
cost was $.12 to $.13 per kWh.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:23:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool stated that  Fairbanks did get a portion                                                                    
of its  electricity from Southcentral and  from Bradly Lake.                                                                    
He argued that the spinning  charges were high. He knew that                                                                    
PCE went  to offset  electric bills. He  asked if  there had                                                                    
been  discussions about  overall  energy  costs since  other                                                                    
sources  of power  other  than diesel  were  being used.  He                                                                    
wondered  if there  was a  way to  fold them  altogether. He                                                                    
suggested  that the  PCE  money could  be  spent to  overall                                                                    
energy. He knew he was not asking a simple question.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  responded that  her pet  project for  many years                                                                    
had been  to embrace a  plan to  tie together all  of Alaska                                                                    
electrically. Alaska lacked a  transmission grid even though                                                                    
it had  a transmission  system, a radio  transmission system                                                                    
between Anchorage and Fairbanks.  However, the vast majority                                                                    
of   Alaska's  landmass   was  unserved   by  any   type  of                                                                    
transmission  system which  is  what  necessitated having  a                                                                    
power  plant every  30  miles  to 40  miles  to serve  rural                                                                    
Alaska. It  was the reason  there were 40 power  plants. The                                                                    
state had managed to build  some generation but would always                                                                    
be a fraction  of energy needed to  power communities. Until                                                                    
rural  communities  could  be tied  together,  it  would  be                                                                    
difficult to bring down energy  costs in all directions. She                                                                    
agreed  that  PCE  offered  some  benefit  to  the  cost  of                                                                    
electricity for a homeowner and  did nothing for the cost of                                                                    
heat.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:26:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  referenced  Representative  Wool's  remark                                                                    
that Fairbanks might not be as  much of a recipient in terms                                                                    
of state  assistance. He  noted that the  PCE program  was a                                                                    
program to help support rural  Alaska. He had been asked why                                                                    
the state  was supporting  rural Alaskans' energy  needs. He                                                                    
typically responded that the state  had supported the entire                                                                    
state.  He referenced  slide  6. He  explained  that it  had                                                                    
started when  the 4-dam pool  was first proposed.  The state                                                                    
was going to  make a substantial investment in  four dams to                                                                    
help certain  parts of  the state.  It was  a deal  that was                                                                    
struck in order  to help Alaskans statewide  in their energy                                                                    
needs. The Bradley Lake Project  was later added to the list                                                                    
along with the transmission  line that was already mentioned                                                                    
that  ran to  various other  parts of  the state.  It was  a                                                                    
grand package that helped Alaskans overall.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster explained that the  PCE Fund was a fund with                                                                    
spin-off  earnings   that  paid  for  assistance   to  rural                                                                    
communities. There  were other more recent  things the state                                                                    
paid  for.  He  noted  that  a little  under  10  years  ago                                                                    
Anchorage had started to see  brownouts and there was a need                                                                    
to  spur exploration  in  the Cook  Inlet.  The state  spent                                                                    
about $1  billion in tax  credits to help  with exploration.                                                                    
He  mentioned that  the state  did not  tax the  natural gas                                                                    
that  came  out  of  Cook  Inlet  which  was  gas  that  fed                                                                    
Southcentral. There were numerous  things that had been done                                                                    
to help  both the  urban and  rural parts  of the  state. He                                                                    
suggested  that  some of  the  things  resulting from  state                                                                    
assistance were  in the form of  hard infrastructure whether                                                                    
it be  the hydro project  at Bradley Lake or  a transmission                                                                    
line. They were things that  could not be easily liquidated.                                                                    
On the other hand, the PCE  Fund had always been of interest                                                                    
to some people and a bit  of a target. However, the fund was                                                                    
the  best the  state  could  come up  with  as a  compromise                                                                    
because of the  rural communities being spread  all over the                                                                    
state. His answer  to the common question  he received about                                                                    
why rural  Alaska received PCE  funding was that  the entire                                                                    
state had received assistance.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:30:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  pointed out that  the state had  spearheaded and                                                                    
taken  ownership of  the interior  utility gas  project. The                                                                    
state had put a significant  amount of free and low-interest                                                                    
money  into  that  project. It  also  heavily  subsidized  a                                                                    
natural  gas  storage  project   that  was  built  to  boost                                                                    
electric gas  supply for Southcentral Alaska.  The incentive                                                                    
to  encourage the  development  of  gas fields,  recognizing                                                                    
that the Alaska market was a  small one. The cost to develop                                                                    
natural gas in  Cook Inlet and to keep it  flowing was quite                                                                    
high and  had been  deliberately subsidized  in the  form of                                                                    
reduction  tax  credits,  reduced   royalty  taxes,  and  no                                                                    
production  taxes.   She  asserted   that  energy   was  the                                                                    
underpinning  of any  economy.  Even with  the subsidies  in                                                                    
Southcentral Alaska, the  cost of energy in  the whole state                                                                    
was high. She  thought the state needed  to continue working                                                                    
towards reducing energy costs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon   thanked   Ms.   Kohler   for   the                                                                    
comprehensive  presentation.  He  looked   at  Alaska  as  a                                                                    
high-cost state in  all areas. Alaska had  tried to equalize                                                                    
costs  whether through  community  assistance, bypass  mail,                                                                    
oil  tax credits  for  the Southcentral  area,  or PCE.  The                                                                    
Power  Cost Equalization  Program had  been around  for many                                                                    
years. He  hoped the  endowment would  continue to  grow and                                                                    
serve its  purpose well into  the future. He  recalled doing                                                                    
research  and  found that  the  only  place with  a  similar                                                                    
program to PCE was Nova Scotia.  He asked if the PCE Program                                                                    
was unique to Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler believed  PCE was unique. The  only examples that                                                                    
she  could  think of  that  were  similar were  in  national                                                                    
regimes. She  cited Norway  as an  example. The  country had                                                                    
proactively  enacted   a  policy   in  which  the   cost  of                                                                    
electricity  was  the same  no  matter  where a  person  was                                                                    
located in the  country. A similar type  of program operated                                                                    
in  Canada. She  believed that  the  cost of  power in  most                                                                    
communities, at  least in  British Columbia,  was equalized.                                                                    
She had driven  to a small community in  British Columbia on                                                                    
vacation. She inquired about the  cost of electricity there.                                                                    
The person she asked had no  idea what they paid per KWH but                                                                    
indicated their  bill was $36.00  every 2 months.  They were                                                                    
paying the same  rate as people in the  more populated areas                                                                    
of B.C. but were powered by diesel generation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:35:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  emphasized  Alaska's  uniqueness  in                                                                    
terms of the challenge of  providing some equality of power.                                                                    
He  thought  it  was  interesting   that  the  governor  had                                                                    
recently introduced  a bill  to create a  green bank  in the                                                                    
state. He  thought that with  the passage of that  bill, the                                                                    
state might have the opportunity  to revisit the whole issue                                                                    
of the  energy challenge in  the state that continued  to be                                                                    
daunting.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  asked if there were  projects that                                                                    
had  been   identified  more  recently  that   would  expand                                                                    
infrastructure  in  the  energy sector.  She  thought  there                                                                    
might be an  unintended blessing from COVID  with funds from                                                                    
the federal  government for  infrastructure. She  thought an                                                                    
area of focus might be to  work on some of the projects that                                                                    
would  reduce the  cost of  energy. She  believed that  both                                                                    
residents and  private sector businesses would  benefit from                                                                    
such projects.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:37:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  replied there was  always a long list  of energy                                                                    
projects. The  Alaska Energy Authority recently  published a                                                                    
request for proposals to look  at the next round of projects                                                                    
that  might  be  partially financed  through  the  renewable                                                                    
energy fund.  The fund was  for renewable energy  and energy                                                                    
conservation  including recovered  heat.  The Alaska  Energy                                                                    
Authority had  a list of  projects that had  been submitted,                                                                    
but in  terms of larger  major projects there were  not any.                                                                    
She reported that AVEC had  a small hydro power project they                                                                    
had been pursuing for years  in Old Harbor. The project cost                                                                    
was  $10  million and  would  serve  about 250  people.  The                                                                    
cooperative  had not  been able  to find  the money  for the                                                                    
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  believed the  state needed  to embrace  a larger                                                                    
project  rather  than  the   smaller  one-off  project.  She                                                                    
suggested  some sort  of large  generation transmission  hub                                                                    
project that could  begin to tie hubs  together making power                                                                    
available for  resource development.  She noted  that Donlin                                                                    
Creek continued to  move in the direction of  a gas pipeline                                                                    
project  to  serve  themselves.  She  thought  it  would  be                                                                    
wonderful  to build  a transmission  line  that could  carry                                                                    
liquified  natural  gas  from   Canada.  She  mentioned  the                                                                    
Susitna Dam  project being  shelved in  1986. It  would have                                                                    
been a  1600 MW  project and could  have produced  power for                                                                    
about $.04  per kWh. The  state did not pursue  the project.                                                                    
She asserted  that the  state needed  to be  ambitious about                                                                    
developing  large   scale  generation  which   would  foster                                                                    
business. The world  needed more energy, and  Alaska had the                                                                    
resources. The  smaller projects  in rural Alaska  would not                                                                    
take  the state  anywhere  in a  meaningful  way. They  were                                                                    
expensive projects that would  not generate high capacity or                                                                    
reduce the cost of power significantly.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:41:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen   asked  what  Ms.   Kohler  would                                                                    
suggest   as  the   next  step   for   the  legislature   in                                                                    
facilitating an early planning stage.  She asked if it would                                                                    
be more appropriate to come  from the executive branch as an                                                                    
RFP for a consultant or  whether there was something else to                                                                    
act on.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  believed   the  legislature  could  appropriate                                                                    
$5 million  to  $10  million for  the  specific  purpose  of                                                                    
developing a  long-range ubiquitous affordable  energy plan/                                                                    
project for  Alaska. The administration  could direct  it to                                                                    
the  Alaska  Industrial  Development  and  Export  Authority                                                                    
(AIDEA) or AEA.  She thought AIDEA would  be the appropriate                                                                    
entity to tackle  the issue. She did not want  to hear about                                                                    
the  loads not  existing.  They did  not  exist because  the                                                                    
state did not  serve them. She stated it was  a classic case                                                                    
of "build it, and they will come."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Johnson   thanked   Ms.  Kohler   for   her                                                                    
presentation.  She shared  that she  had been  the president                                                                    
for the Conference  of Mayors about 5  years previously. She                                                                    
explained   that  when   the   mayors   got  together,   the                                                                    
conversation would inevitably move to  the topic of how much                                                                    
everyone paid per kWh. She had  been asked how much she paid                                                                    
which  she did  not  know at  the time.  She  went home  and                                                                    
looked  at her  electric bill  which showed  she was  paying                                                                    
about $.15 per kWh compared to  other areas of the state. It                                                                    
had been  an eye  opener for  her to  find that  the highest                                                                    
paid amount in  the state was about $.85/kWh.  At that point                                                                    
she decided she would never  complain about an electric bill                                                                    
again.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson believed  she  currently paid  about                                                                    
$.22/kWh  because Matanuska  Electric Association  (MEA) had                                                                    
added  additional  generators  for  combined  fuel.  It  was                                                                    
astounding  to  see how  much  people  paid outside  of  the                                                                    
Railbelt  and how  fortunate the  Railbelt was  to have  the                                                                    
energy it  did. She  spoke of having  spent time  working at                                                                    
the Susitna-Watana  Dam site in  the 1980s and  thinking the                                                                    
project would move  forward. She agreed that  energy was not                                                                    
a  pie that  ever  got filled.  She  really appreciated  the                                                                    
presentation  and   considered  it  to  be   visionary.  She                                                                    
asserted  that the  more people  knew about  the topic,  the                                                                    
better.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:46:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  referred to claims that  solar and wind                                                                    
would  not significantly  decrease electric  costs or  solve                                                                    
the high  energy cost problem.  Rather, something akin  to a                                                                    
distribution of power  would be a better  pursuit. He argued                                                                    
that  getting  distribution  to several  communities  spread                                                                    
throughout  the  state would  be  cost  prohibitive and  not                                                                    
really  feasible.  He thought  the  distances  would be  too                                                                    
great.  An advancement  in technologies  would  be a  better                                                                    
solution. He  reviewed several  possibilities. He  asked her                                                                    
to  comment  about  the   unlikelihood  of  a  technological                                                                    
breakthrough.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler answered  that AVEC had put  together the "Alaska                                                                    
grid" that  would build a backbone  transmission system that                                                                    
would be tied to major  generation sources such as gas-fired                                                                    
power  plants that  already existed  across  the state.  She                                                                    
mentioned several locations. There  was a massive industrial                                                                    
operation  that  was taking  place  in  at the  North  Slope                                                                    
presently. They  were using  gas powered  generation because                                                                    
it  did not  cost  much.  If a  2GW  generation project  was                                                                    
development the state  could be use the North  Slope gas and                                                                    
reducing  the cost  of  electricity on  the  North Slope  to                                                                    
about $.04/kWh.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  suggested that a  transmission grid could  use a                                                                    
high-voltage direct current (HVDC)  which was less expensive                                                                    
to build  and had  little to no  losses in  transmission. It                                                                    
would then radiate across the  state to hub communities such                                                                    
as  Kotzebue,  Nome,  and  Bethel. It  would  form  a  grid,                                                                    
although  not   all  communities   could  be   connected,  a                                                                    
substantial number of them could  be connected. She reported                                                                    
working towards  the HVDC concept  which was being  used for                                                                    
tens  of  thousands of  miles  of  transmission being  built                                                                    
across the  world. Connecting entire countries  was becoming                                                                    
possible with this very feasible  and viable technology. She                                                                    
continued to review her vision.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  did not  realize  that  the HVDC,  the                                                                    
Nicola Tesla versus Thomas Eddison,  war was still going on.                                                                    
Ms. Kohler answered in the  affirmative and indicated it was                                                                    
and was doing very well.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:51:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson  referenced   slide   9  of   the                                                                    
presentation. Ms.  Kohler had  stated that  the cost  of the                                                                    
original  village   plant  like  the  one   in  Kalskag  was                                                                    
presently  20 to  30  times  greater. He  asked  her if  she                                                                    
recalled saying something to that effect.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  referenced slide  9. She  replied that  in 1985,                                                                    
the first  full year  of PCE,  the cost of  fuel to  the PCE                                                                    
facilities was about $1.17 per  gallon. The cost of Railbelt                                                                    
gas at the time was $0.35  per 1000 cubic feet. She reported                                                                    
that 1000 cubic  feet was about 7.5 gallons  of diesel fuel.                                                                    
The equivalent  cost of natural  gas per kWh and  diesel per                                                                    
kWh was 25 times in rural Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  recalled that she had  stated that                                                                    
the typical  powerhouse used to  be $100,000 and now  it was                                                                    
many times that amount.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  responded  that  Representative  Josephson  was                                                                    
absolutely  correct. She  elaborated that  at the  time when                                                                    
the  state first  built the  power plants  and borrowed  the                                                                    
first  $5.2 million  from REA,  the cost  to build  a system                                                                    
locally  which  included  3 generators  and  a  distribution                                                                    
center to serve  about 100 meters was projected  to be about                                                                    
$50,000. The  cost today  to serve about  200 meters  with a                                                                    
1500 KW  plant would be about  $3 million for the  plant and                                                                    
with a  tank farm and  a distribution system the  cost would                                                                    
between   $5  million   and  $6   million.   The  cost   was                                                                    
substantially more the 50 years prior.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^POWER  COST  EQUALIZATION  PROGRAM  AND  FUND:  LEGISLATIVE                                                                  
FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:54:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
provided  a  PowerPoint   presentation  titled  "Power  Cost                                                                    
Equalization  Program and  Fund:  House Finance  Committee,"                                                                    
dated April  15, 2021  (copy on file).  He would  be talking                                                                    
more about how the state funded  the PCE program and how the                                                                    
PCE endowment worked in practice.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter began with slide  2 providing a brief background                                                                    
about  the find.  The PCE  program began  in FY  85 and  was                                                                    
funded with  UGF appropriations  through FY 94.  Starting in                                                                    
FY 94  the legislature  created the Power  Cost Equalization                                                                    
and Rural  Electric Capitalization  Fund. It  was originally                                                                    
capitalized  from  an  appropriation  out  of  the  Railbelt                                                                    
Energy  Fund.  However,  the fund  did  not  provide  enough                                                                    
funding  to  fully fund  the  PCE  Program. There  was  some                                                                    
discussion in  the late  1990s about  a new  funding source.                                                                    
The legislature  created the PCE Endowment.  The Legislative                                                                    
Finance Division  (LFD) eventually deactivated the  code for                                                                    
the  PCE and  Rural  Electric Capitalization  Fund that  was                                                                    
still on the books but was without funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued  that the PCE Endowment  Fund began in                                                                    
2000 with  a capitalization  from the  Constitutional Budget                                                                    
Reserve (CBR)  and the  proceeds from the  sale of  the Four                                                                    
Dam Pool Hydro  Electric Project. The earnings  of that were                                                                    
currently used to fund the PCE Program.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  turned to a bar  chart on slide 3  which showed                                                                    
the history  of how  the PCE program  had been  funded since                                                                    
FY 00. He  indicated that the  red showed the PCE  and Rural                                                                    
Electric Capitalization Fund  which underfunded the program.                                                                    
Eventually, there  were the  last few  payments out  of that                                                                    
fund and unrestricted general funds  began to supplement the                                                                    
program  in  FY  09.  The PCE  Endowment  Fund  began  fully                                                                    
funding the  program in FY 15.  He pointed out the  trend of                                                                    
the actual funding amounts. The  fund was underfunded in the                                                                    
early  2000s, the  funding amount  spiked,  then the  amount                                                                    
started to decrease in the  previous few years as oil priced                                                                    
had declined. There had been  a small decrease in the amount                                                                    
required for the PCE Program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:57:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced  to slide 4 showing the  history of the                                                                    
PCE  Endowment  balance.  He pointed  to  the  $100  million                                                                    
capitalization money  from the  CBR, the  increase resulting                                                                    
from the sale  of the Four Dam Pool  Hydro Electric Project,                                                                    
another deposit in FY 07  from the general fund, and another                                                                    
deposit in  FY 12. The growth  since then was the  result of                                                                    
investment earnings.  Currently, the  fund balance  was just                                                                    
over $1.1 billion. He highlighted  the substantial growth in                                                                    
investments in the strong markets over the past decade.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   indicated  that  slide  5   showed  the  same                                                                    
information as  the previous  one but was  in a  table form.                                                                    
The  information  was  from the  Treasury  Division  of  the                                                                    
Department  of Revenue  (DOR). The  actual returns  could be                                                                    
seen on  the slide.  There had been  some negative  years in                                                                    
the  bad  markets  because  the  funds  were  invested  more                                                                    
aggressively  in the  past. There  were negative  figures in                                                                    
FY 01,  FY  02, FY  08,  and  FY  09.  There had  been  some                                                                    
significantly  strong returns  since  then. In  a couple  of                                                                    
years there  had been earnings  of more than 20  percent. In                                                                    
the current  year, the earnings  so far had been  about $105                                                                    
million through March 2021.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter reviewed  slide 6 titled "AS 42.45.085  - Use of                                                                    
PCE  Funds." In  terms  of the  use of  the  funds from  the                                                                    
endowment, there was  a Point of Market  Value (POMV) payout                                                                    
that was  a limit  of how  much could be  spent on  the POMV                                                                    
[PCE] Program. From a practical  sense with the current fund                                                                    
balance, the  cost of the  PCE Program did not  approach the                                                                    
limit. The limit was 5 percent  of the fund value. Since the                                                                    
fund value  was over  $1 billion and  the program  was about                                                                    
$32  million  the  limit  was  not an  issue.  In  2016  the                                                                    
legislature passed a  bill that allowed the  earnings of the                                                                    
endowment to also be used for additional programs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter moved  to the  following slide,  slide 7  which                                                                    
provided a visual  to AS 42.45.085 (d)  the "PCE waterfall."                                                                    
Starting with  the PCE Fund  balance, the statute  stated to                                                                    
take the prior  year earnings and subtract  the current year                                                                    
PCE   budget  to   arrive  at   the  excess   earnings.  The                                                                    
legislature was  allowed to spend  70 percent of  the excess                                                                    
earnings  and  30  percent  went right  back  into  the  PCE                                                                    
Endowment  Fund. The  statute indicated  that the  first $30                                                                    
million could  be used for the  Community Assistance Program                                                                    
and any remaining funds up to  $25 could be used for various                                                                    
energy  programs such  as the  Renewable Energy  Grant Fund,                                                                    
the Bulk  Fuel Revolving  Loan Fund,  or rural  power system                                                                    
upgrades.  If there  were any  remaining funds,  which there                                                                    
never had been, they would be returned to the PCE Fund.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:00:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  relayed  that  slide  8  showed  how  the  PCE                                                                    
waterfall worked in practice in  the current fiscal year. He                                                                    
explained that  the earnings in  the prior year  referred to                                                                    
FY  20 because  it was  the  prior closed  fiscal year.  The                                                                    
current  year (FY  21) PCE  budget was  $30.6 million  which                                                                    
rendered $17.7 million in excess  earnings. He conveyed that                                                                    
30 percent of  the excess earnings equaled  $5.3 million and                                                                    
went   back  into   the  fund.   The  mount   available  for                                                                    
appropriation, $12.4  million, could be appropriated  to the                                                                    
Community Assistance  Fund. Since that amount  was less than                                                                    
$30 million the waterfall stopped.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that  the governor's  budget included                                                                    
the  appropriation   of  $12.4  million  to   the  Community                                                                    
Assistance  Fund.  He  concluded his  presentation  and  was                                                                    
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  where  the  employees  who                                                                    
administered  the  PCE  Program  were  housed.  Mr.  Painter                                                                    
answered  that  the program  was  administered  by AEA.  The                                                                    
Alaska  Energy  Authority's  programs were  administered  by                                                                    
employees of AIDEA.  There was a time in the  1990s when the                                                                    
program was  administered by the  Division of  Energy within                                                                    
the former Department of Community  and Regional Affairs. He                                                                    
explained  that when  the  department  was dismantled,  that                                                                    
function moved to AEA.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson relayed  that if  the program  was                                                                    
fully  administered  by  a corporation,  the  Hickel  versus                                                                    
Cowper case  suggested that the  fund was not  sweep-able. A                                                                    
previous attorney general stated  recently that the fund was                                                                    
sweep-able.  The legislature's  attorney stated  it was  not                                                                    
sweep-able. He asked if LFD took a position.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered that  LFD did not  take a  position on                                                                    
legal matters. From a  practical standpoint, the legislature                                                                    
had  not passed  a bill  defining what  was sweep-able.  The                                                                    
administration's    interpretation    was   the    operative                                                                    
interpretation until a statute was  passed to change it or a                                                                    
lawsuit overturned it.  He reiterated that LFD  did not have                                                                    
an opinion on the matter.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  announced an amendment deadline  for HB 169                                                                    
for Friday  at 5:00  p.m. He reviewed  the schedule  for the                                                                    
following morning.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:04:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:04 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
PCE Kohler HFin 04152021.pdf HFIN 4/15/2021 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Presentation PCE
LFD - HFIN PCE Presentation 4-15-21.pdf HFIN 4/15/2021 1:30:00 PM